Logan vs. Children of Men - The End is in the Beginning
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
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Examining how Logan and Children of Men begin their stories and send the heroes down the path of redemption.
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I loved Logan and Children of Men is one of the best films ever made, so I had a lot of fun putting this one together! *What films would you like to see me tackle in the future?*
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Lessons from the Screenplay ex machina, the lobster, and terminator 1&2!
I haven't seen Logan yet. I am guessing this isn't spoiler safe, right?
Boy oh boy do we live for an upload from you! Would love to see Shame (2011) or maybe Birdman or Oldboy (Original). Thanks as always for putting out stuff this good
Oh actually Mr Robot Season 1 would be doooopppeee
@Cameron Gordon, already did Ex Machina, other two are good suggestions! @Jason Dancisin-This is is *NOT* spoiler safe.
“So that’s what that feels like”
*crying my eyes out
Logan really did make me surprisingly emotional. And when Laura reveals her power...that got me.
When she laid the cross down in an X, that made me cry out loud. And when she called him 'Daddy', and you saw that the children had Wolverine comics and action figures too...those great scenes made me feel very emotional.
Children of men has also a very powerful and emotional scene near the ending
I can’t make it through that line.
Children of Men is one great film. Complex world, intense sequences, and endearing characters. Logan is quite excellent too and surprisingly very similar to Children of Men. I haven't noticed until this video
I personally wouldn't say they're endearing characters, But everything else i do. especially the action scenes.
Awesome discussion. I never would have thought to compare them, but now that you do, they make a ton of sense.
There's a third example of popular media that I think follows the same story archetype and does some unique things with it...but hopefully more on that later! ;)
One of my favorite youtubers complimenting another one of my favorite yuotubers ❤️👍
Now I'm interested. I've been thinking about this for the past hour and a lot of Clint Eastwood's later films (starting with Unforgiven) follow a similar archetype.
When you make content as great as Michael's, it is pretty easy to compliment!
Last of Us?
Neil Druckmann who is the director of The Last of Us said that he was inspired by Children of Men.
Smart to be inspired by the best! Would love to do a video on TLOU
Lessons from the Screenplay YES! A video on TLOU would be amazing!
Yes!
Dude, if you start making videos on video game screenwritting you'll gain a ton of subs. Do it. I love both mediums so it will be a blessing for me.
Last of Us has (for me) the best of both worlds, that is, from videogames and movies. Would be great if you make a video about it.
Can I just say, well done on doing a Logan video essay that doesn't revolve around "being symbolic of superhero fatigue?" I get it, lack of variety is not good for movies, but quite ironically, those essays just turned to saying the same thing over and over. I'm not trying to deny superhero fatigue exists, I'll freely admit I'm there myself, but when you say the same thing over and over, it stops being clever. So kudos to you for approaching Logan from a different angle and using another fantastic movie for comparison. Love your work.
I always enjoy the fact that you frequently quote KM Weiland - her books are really insightful, and not many people know about her. Nice essay today, man.
Thank you! Yeah I just learned about her this year, but I really enjoy her writing. I think a lot of books on writing are essentially trying to convey the same things, and it's about finding which approach resonates with you. Her approach definitely resonates with me.
I agree! She has a lot of really solid writing videos here on RUclips too. The production value isn't great (it's just her talking to the camera), but the insights are really valuable.
Yes, she's one of my favorite novelists and writing craft instructors!
SOO glad to see the K.M. love! She writes powerfully and simply and demystifies the process of creating character arcs in a way the screenwriting bibles can't.
Thank you folks for making me discover her, I read Creating Character Arcs because of this video and your comments, and found it excellent.
Your channel is very special, uploads once a while but when you do it's worth the fucking wait. Bless ya
Thank you! I try to get videos out as often as I can-they tend to take awhile to make :)
Nativity Story - inspired - Children of Men - inspired - The Last of Us - inspired - Logan
Shows how far ideas can be rewritten and developed into different creations.
Hmm...very interesting comparison. I always likened Logan as being similar to Clint Eastwood's Unforgiven (Grizzled old guy comes out of retirement for one last job, and goes out living with the burden of what he's done). But after seeing this i see the similarities between these two as well.
Logan definitely has influences from a lot of films and genres, so there are many interesting comparisons to be made. I think part of what made it so great was remixing those genres with the superhero film.
BattleUp Saber, the original comic miniseries, in which the Logan movie is loosely based on, is actually inspired by the Unforgiven film. So u're on the right track.
NOT that related, but have you watched the Japanese remake of Unforgiven?
If you haven't, it's well worth a watch. I really enjoyed it.
rorrt, I was not aware of it until now. I'll have to look it up and also rewatch Unforgiven. Right on!
Unforgiven is very similar to The Twilight Samurai actually. You should compare them in one of your videos. Both amazing films!
Brilliant as always, you're a serious inspiration for RUclipsrs who want to create refreshing, excellent content.
Ok.
Michael, thank you for tackling such a heavy-hitter such as Children of Men and Logan, a brutal story of broken characters. Your content keeps getting more efficient and detailed, keep up the good work!
Thank you!
Logan immediately became one of my favorite comicbook movies after seeing it in theaters (and with time, will probably only get better). Children of Men is one of my top 5 favorite movies to date. Alfonso Cuaron is a brilliant director. The cinematography is superb, and all of the actors really flesh out their roles. I've watched it numerous times, and my enjoyment only increases with each viewing.
Damn. This made me want to watch Children of Men again. Amazing movie.
Here’s some suggestions for ya:
Apocalypse Now - Changing Destiny
The Shawshank Redemption - Shooting a Believable Friendship
Fight Club vs. M. Night Shyamalan - Building a Plot Twist
Goodfellas - Designing a World of Crime
Great suggestions!
Thanks, heres the only decent film video I´ve ever made. ruclips.net/video/Rgtms0XUBbU/видео.html
Working on a gigantic star wars one right now.
EBHAE I'm looking forward to it, I am now subscribed to your channel :)
Some boring suggestions, what not add The Godfather or Vertigo, then the list is complete.
Step out of your comfort zone pls.
Come on Apocalypse Now can't get any better and the M. Night Shyamalan idea I think was pretty creative.
But fine Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair - Mixing Violence.
This was great! A very clear and thoughtful breakdown, reminds me a little bit of my video on Logan vs. Metal Gear Solid and how they both managed to give their respective heroes a meaningful departure while keeping the larger universe alive :)
You have one of the best channels on RUclips. Love it!
Thanks Jose!
This gives me comfort. Of course there are only 7 stories but how you tell them is everything. And there are infinite ways.
I learned more in this video than in a semester of film school. Great video!
Thanks!
That is the power of LFTS channel
What a beautiful analysis of two of my favourite movies by one of my favourite RUclips channels. This video gave me the strength to embrace my own choices that I have made in my life to leave my Normal World behind. Thank you so much for making it. Time to go all the way.
Amazing! Go for it!
I know this channel is strictly for movies, but I would like to add the video game, The Last of Us, with the same themes of as these two films, specifically Logan. Logan and TLOU both have the same theme of embracing the love of family. The adventures that Logan and Joel begin are developed by the loss of family, allowing both characters to experience little apathy for their normal world and their future. Just like Logan and Children of Men, the inciting incident happens in TLOU as well, with Joel refusing to smuggle Ellie to a hospital for potentially finding a cure for mankind. I won’t tell the whole story but I would just like to point out that both stories have very identical qualities.
Alex King my man! Great comparison 👍
I was about to make a similar observation; glad to see others noticed this with TLoU and Logan!
Ah yes. Not just the comparison of Logan and the Last of Us as great stories, but a lot of people said that Hugh Jackman looks like Joel
"The end is in the beginning" not even a synecdoche new York video alas
One day.
Lessons from the Screenplay it'll only be fifty years, blink of an eye basically
Lessons from the Screenplay
do
it
Lessons from the Screenplay Dont do it. It's destroyed Adam Johnston
Mitchell O'Bryan This movie is destined to destroy all film channels.
Yes yes and yes. Keep ‘em coming.
You are the best! What else is there to say...
Have you ever considered doing a video on how to properly utilize exposition?
I ask because ALOT of movies these days often dump expository dialogue in the beginning or throughout the runtime to hurriedly explain what's going on in order to get to setpieces so it would be great if you did a video showing how to properly get across exposition to the audience without pausing the flow of the story.
This is bloody brilliant and I am compelled to thank for for sharing this essay. Children of Men is a top 10 film of mines and now I better understand why Logan resonated so deeply with him
Agradecimientos a la persona que subtitula, muy rapidamente, en español todos los videos de LFTS.
I've learned so much about visual storytelling and screenwriting from these videos. Thanks, Michael.
Awesome! :)
No surprise that two incredible films have so much in common. I think their endings alone make them both infinitely rewatchable because they enrich the rest of the experience.
I’d love to see you tackle a Star Wars film in time for December! Perhaps comparing the screenplays from the Original Trilogy vs one from the Prequel trilogy to see why one works and the other doesn’t.
Thank you, keep making videos!
Thanks Liam! After Rogue One vs. TFA I told myself I would take a break from Star Wars videos. But we'll see what happens :P
Hah! Do whatever you want man, I’ll keep watching!
As an aspiring scriptwriter all I can say is thank you. You cause me to re-evaluate and reconstruct
is it weird that i cried at the end of this video? never noticed the similarities between these two great films, i am gonna re-watch both of them tonight!! such a great essay as always!!
Very weird yes
You need to grow a pair.
This was really eye-opening. As someone who's never written a story, this one really helped me understand what drives a really powerful narrative. Nice analysis!
Fuck yessssss another vid showing parallels between two great films! Although Hugh Jackman is the star of Logan, I gotta day Lubezki is the star of Children of Men. Keep up the great work!
Yeah, the cinematography is out-of-control good in Children of Men.
King of Wakanda I could happily watch a 2 hour film of Lubezski shots :D
Honestly your analytical view on films on it’s purpose/goal are so incredibly well illustrated. These always help me present points with my college work.
Thank you.
Awesome! Thanks you.
Victorious Leigh yaaaaaaas. Let them know who the analysis is
Love how people are already commenting about an 11 minute video only 5 minutes after it came out.
Maybe they watched it at 2x speed 🙃
The best in-depht storytelling analysis on youtube, at least for me, your knowledge of this art is incredible and i think you deserve the best!
Please do something with Fargo! About it's perspective and story telling. Or plot twists perhaps
I need to rewatch the film-I just started the show and am loving it so far.
The best compliment i can give this channel is that I actively go out of my way to see films you've done vids about before I watch your vids.
Man this was the MOST useful piece of writing advice I've ever seen on RUclips so far. Wow... feel like I learned more in the last 10 minutes about story than the last 5 years.
Thanks a lot for the awesome content, as always, keep up the awesome work man :)
That’s awesome. Thanks!
Hey! I love your text animations when you cutaway to a book quote. Do you use a preset for these animations? Do you mind if I ask how you do it?
(sorry about my english) I've never watched CHILDREN OF MEN, so I've watched only for watch this video. Amazing movie and analysis. Thank you.
Tom Souza
U should watch children of men, it is an excellent movie
LFTS is seriously the best channel ever. Talking about my favorite movies and proving why I love them so much in professional ways! 100% YES
And by that of course I meant:
I have seen Logan three times now and I just cried in my office seeing the ending for a split second. It is just so heartbreaking and amazing.
Geoffrey Nelson I couldn't have asked for a better ending. I remember seeing X-Men in the theaters when I was 7 and I was shell shocked lol in the best way.
Yeah whoever came up with the idea for that last shot is freaking genius.
I love how, even though I'm a writer and not a director, most of the lessons you cover are applicable to my work. Big thanks as always.
Damn michael, now im going to have to watch children of men in order to watch ur vid
Bamsougher watch it ASAP, one of the best films ever made
You're welcome! :P
Great movie, go watch it :)
It's easily one of my top 5 favorite movies to date.
This framing of a character arc sticks better than any other frame I've yet heard! I like how I can apply this framing to any story.
I like when you directly quote all these books, it makes this channel a very useful resource.
Children of Men is in my personal top five, and Logan was surprisingly emotional. Fantastic analysis and startlingly helpful. Thank you!
I never would have thought of comparing this two movies but now it makes sense. "The end is in the beginning" it's an excellent twist to "every second of the story must be firing towards the end, like an arrow to a bullseye" something that one of my greatest teachers in college used to say.
Love you videos Michael, I always learn something new.
Nice! That’s good advice :)
Wunderbar. I never would have thought to compare these two movies. But now the similarities are so totally obvious. Doh!
Yeah, though it explains why I like Logan so much.
I have learned more from this channel then I ever did in College. I want to see what you do with a huge budget. I want to see like 5 years from now and the creator of these videos being successful. Thank you for literally every single video I've seen from you.
Great video, the more I watched, I realized the Aquaman movie actually fits almost all these criteria as well with a reluctant hero who gets an offer that he initially refuses and is transformed by the end
Dude, this is my favorite RUclips channel. I wouldn't forgive you if you stopped making these videos. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
LFTS❤
These kind of story arcs are generally my favorites.
THIS IS AWESOME. I'm already during the process of writing a script for a post-apocalyptic action thriller about the value of hope. This video really helps with the character development of my characters!
Probably one of my favorite videos of yours I have seen thus far. I always share them with my writing group; though we are novelists, work like this shows quickly concepts which are difficult to grasp without hours of reading and analysis.
Even The Last of Us follows a similar story structure. Reluctant protagonist with no hope. But towards the final act he makes a decision, saving Ellie instead of developing a cure to save humanity.
Interesting how they brought that conflict across. Makes you wonder how subjective right and wrong can be.
when your content is bazillion times greater than almost all of RUclips....love your work Michael
One of my favorite movies of all time and probably the best movie if this year together, what a treat! I love that you took two very different things and explained how they are similar at the core. It is very cool approach. Thanks for amazing videos.
Awesome, thank *you* for watching!
I just want to say that what you're doing here is amazing. You love what you do AND you give it 100% each time. Good for you.
everytime i watched Logan, The Road and Children of Men.... I See *The Last of Us*
TLOU so good
I have to hold back tears every time I watch Children of Men. Such an emotional and well crafted movie.
Logan is still my favorite film of 2017, with Blade Runner and War For The Planet of The Apes closely behind. I hope Jackman gets the Oscar nomination (and hopefully win) that he deserves.
Alex Love I totally agree with your opinion. For me Blade Runner 2049 is the best movie of this year, Logan is my second best movie and War for the planet of the apes my third best movie of this year. And Yes! I hope Jackman gets an Oscar and Andy Serkis.
Alex Love Yes ! Hugh deserved that oscar logan is still the best film of the year. 2 is baby and 3 is blade 2049
Children of men has such a real feeling and is a believable film, very powerful.
Hey, I really enjoy your videos and they've encouraged me to study screenwriting myself a bit; what books would you recommend to start with?
Awesome! Books I would suggest are "Story" by Robert McKee, "The Anatomy of Story" by John Truby, and "Creating Character Arcs" by K.M. Weiland. I have a page of book recommendations on my website: www.lessonsfromthescreenplay.com/reading-list/
Thanks!
I didn't think I'd be emotionally affected by watching the ending of Logan even though I've watched it so many times. This breakdown was perfect and I'm waiting for your next video.
The last of us game,
is really similar to those 2 films, especially within the first part "Act" of the game.
Your videos are a real treasure. It may sound silly but these discussions are actually helping me to come up with a more interesting character for a D&D campaign. It's not screenplay but I guess it's still storytelling
Also "The Last of Us".
kshamwhizzle
U should play the last of us. Even though I think PC is better than PS4, the last of us is probably the greatest game ever made
Also, children of men inspired naughty dog to make the last of us and apparently inspired Logan to be made as well
@SwenglishGamer yeah, he's lying. There are scenes that are a complete rip-off almost word for word.
Specially the dialogues between Logan and Laura near the end connecting over nightmares and she getting angry that Logan wants to be leave her for fear of bad things happening to her if she stays
Not to mention the overall tone and plot
@SwenglishGamer But it's done all the time. Maybe he didn't play it. Maybe he saw imagery from it. Maybe he saw clips when he investigated. Maybe he read some summaries of someone told them to him. So many big budget films are rips of foreign film or other media. You get away with it by saying its "a coincidence".
I love these two movies and always thought they had some of the best protagonist arcs ever. And watching this video not only gave me a lot of insight but also made me cry! You're amazing man, keep at it!
Do a video on mad max!
You can tell he loves a good screenplay when he edits around great lines to not spoil them. You're the best! Keep up the great work!
It's nice when people notice and appreciate the little things :)
please do In Bruges
I can't imagine how hard you work for making a video, but know that I will always enjoy your lessons. Thank you!
Please do THERE WILL BE BLOOD.
I noticed at the opening that when the people find oil underground, one of the people dips his finger into the oil, and puts it on his son's forehead. Is he like-- I don't know-- blessing him or something, and then that kid becomes Daniel Plainview's son (bastard from a basket).
How did you notice this, it was so well hidden by SHOWING IT FOR AN ENTIRE SCENE, you really have an eye for those things.
i don't know why said notice...
It's so rare to see lit analysis that is both this sharp and this creative. This was enlightening *and* enjoyable. So glad I found your channel.
If you are doing comparisons, I feel like there might be some interesting stuff to pull out of looking at Blade Runner 2049 vs. Stalker (Tarkovsky)
I haven't seen Stalker! I will check it out.
The great thing about your videos despite how well made and researched they are is they remind me of the reasons I love these movies and make me want to rewatch them.
Wow. That is such a great compliment, thank you for watching! :D
In competitive terms: Childrens of Men wins, hands down.
I mean, Children of Men is essentially a perfect film. Not really a fair fight :P
Lessons from the Screenplay RIGHT!?
Lessons from the Screenplay and yet it's also one of the most over looked or forgotten films. It's really sad, you could walk up to most people who watch a lot of movies and care about them and they will have heard of all of the movies about as good as Children of Men but 99% of them have never heard of Children of Men.
Even in terms of media coverage you will see all of this stuff about why X great movie is great or it's flaws, but you wont see that media coverage for Children of Men.
Personally, I have never seen a movie as good as Children of Men and I'm not sure I ever will which just makes this all the sadder. I guess I'll still get to introduce it to every new friend I make so there's that :)
Epicawsomesocks Agreed, it's such an underrated film. I remember the first time I watched it a couple years ago I wasn't expecting anything, and I was in awe from start to finish. And I hardly ever cry at films but I did watching it.
Looks like I need to rewatch Children of men, been years since I have seen it and I was young and less mature.
I love Children of Men, it's one of my favorites so I was really glad to see that you made an essay for the film.
Do you interested to compare it's a wonderful life and Life is beautiful?
I haven't seen either! But that sounds like a great idea actually.
Those two movies have nothing in common, though
Josh Odom You should watch again, and again..
Not interesting films either, Kore-eda's film wandafuru raifu (Wonderful Life) is a much better suggestion.
This is so good. I learnt alot from this video! The idea of breaking a movie into different acts, examples of inciting incidents, and 'character truth's and lies in character arcs'. Establishing 'normal views' and having them reinforced by the world- then changing them at the end. Thanks so much!
Watched CoM just so I could watch this video
Awesome! What did you think?
Lessons from the Screenplay I loved the movie! I've never appreciated the sound of a baby crying until the scene where he walks past the solders.
As always, Great video with interesting ideas I've never heard of and I look forward to implementing them into my own work! Both the stories were uncannily similar. Both protagonist don't believe in the haven where they're going. They both get everyone around them killed. And much more. I liked how instead of dwelling on this, you examined the stories and what made them effective in each their own way!
I love all your videos and cannot wait for the next one!
Awesome! I'm glad you liked the movie, and it's true, there are a lot more similarities between them. Thanks for watching :)
This is your best one yet. Speechless... and inspired. Great job man.
Thanks Daniel! I appreciate that.
I think the thing that strikes with me as the strongest part of Children of Men is its stark pro-immigration message and I think we see this get paralleled in this journey taken. I think as much as the straight narrative of clawing to a hope for life again is very well created what makes Children of Men really stand out as a fantastic story is the lie that the world can exist while passively allowing this xenophobic view to continue and this journey to a new place is when the world truly begins to live again.
I agree. There are many powerful elements of the film, there is so much to it's vision of the future (which is frighteningly feeling more and more accurate).
I'm always deeply moved how group members along the way sacrifice themselves for the greater good of hope for something better in the future knowing full well they won't see it, but someone else will.
Although I prefer a more responsible immigration system(one based on merits and the immigrant's willingness to assimilate with the host country's culture), I think Children Of Men is a cautionary tale of each culture unwillingness to improve themselves will lead to doom for humanity as a whole.
@@UreiMiseinen why willingness to assimilate? Idk where you're from, but I live in the US, where we've long talked about the values of the "melting pot" of immigrants to the country, despite common anti-immigrant sentiment (esp against latin american and middle eastern people). We wouldn't have quintessentially american things, like St Patrick's day, pizza, or hamburgers if earlier generations of immigrants had left their cultures behind, so why should we ask newer immigrants to leave theirs behind?
Fantastic work as always! Your analysis is always so clear and clean feeling; you don't try to punch it up with florid language and empty style. I salute you, sir!
seriously, who needs to pay for school when you have content like this! .. this content opened my eyes to a new way of seeing these two movies, and from that i learn something new, this in itself makes this content valuable. Thank you sincerely.
Seeing the final shot of Logan again just triggered major feels. And it's always a treat to bask in the amazing direction and cinematography of Children of Men.
Two incredibly beautiful yet painfully poignant films ever made.
This is arguably my favourite video so far, man. Thanks for this yet again!
Thanks Ryan!
I learned about this like 10 times already, even with the John Truby's book, but out of all of them, this video is the clearest, easiest one to understand, like the rest of your channel. Thanks!
First time watching your channel and im already binge watching it. Loved every single video of yours. Hoping you'll always never stop making these videos. One word for your channel "IMPORTANT". Will always be your subscriber.
Simply, beautiful. These 2 films epitomize the craft of story telling...and elevate it. Brutal, poetic, universal.
Hello Michael, there is so much you talk about in film that keeps me interested. Even movies I've never seen before - such as the 2 presented here - creates a captivating view of not only the films themselves but also how they are structured. Thank you so much for sharing. Always keeps my attention.
Even the opening images sometimes tell the ending of the story. Great episode! Loved it
Okay, I would pay you to do a full analysis like this of your favorite movie. These videos are insane.
While this is a video essay analyzing two screenplays, its like a short film in itself. Fantastic.
Man, I get choked up just seeing that shot of Laura tilting the cross with no context or audio. Who'd have thought a comic book movie would be able to make me cry?
Now I want to view both films back to back. Fantastic work.
It was heartening to see both characters carried out from what they once believe & advocate. Both characters thought they have lost their belief/ideas/hope/conviction only to realise (Sub-consciously or consciously) it was there all along. Both Kee & Laura was the agent that sparked that revival in them. The 'awakening' as I see it was the best part of both films. Thank you for your excellent work!
Children of men such a masterpiece